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#21 SchwanzBrewer

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 01:17 PM

One of my goals was to win a group at NHC and a BOS on the Florida Circuit (

 

So far I've only managed to enter 2 beers through 4 comps. I didn't have anything to enter for the first comp because I was overhauling my system completely, missed the deadline to enter for the second comp, forgot to ship my entries on time for NHC, but finally managed to get something entered in this last comp.

 

So right away I've screwed the pooch on one of my goals. There are 4 comps left on the circuit, so I still have a chance at a BOS. I'm gonna kind of be a competition whore for the rest of the year for those comps. Now that I've got my system squared away pretty well and my on hand brew supply chain is back on track I can enter more beers. 



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 01:30 PM

Very cool, Dan.  Congrats!



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 03:20 PM

Congrats guys!The BOS isnt really judged by what the judges like the best for taste, they are judging for what they think is the most accurate to profile. True the scorecard gets thrown out, scores mean nothing, however their goal isnt looking for favorites to their taste, but a perfectly crafted style.Because of this, I feel judges many times pick the lighter body, lighter malt beers more often. It is very difficult to brew these properly, and more variables come into play, like water chemistry, and pitch rate. I feel the old salty judges have a respect that goes deeper for these styles. I have yet to sit at a BOS table for judging, but have been at many of them and listen to all their comments. There is also ALWAYS one judge that completely disagree with all of the others once it is narrowed down to top 5, but almost always agree on kicking out the ones that dont make it there.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 04:32 PM

Congrats guys!The BOS isnt really judged by what the judges like the best for taste, they are judging for what they think is the most accurate to profile. True the scorecard gets thrown out, scores mean nothing, however their goal isnt looking for favorites to their taste, but a perfectly crafted style.Because of this, I feel judges many times pick the lighter body, lighter malt beers more often. It is very difficult to brew these properly, and more variables come into play, like water chemistry, and pitch rate.I feel the old salty judges have a respect that goes deeper for these styles. I have yet to sit at a BOS table for judging, but have been at many of them and listen to all their comments. There is also ALWAYS one judge that completely disagree with all of the others once it is narrowed down to top 5, but almost always agree on kicking out the ones that dont make it there.

 

I've witnessed a few now and usually the best "beer" wins. It's completely subjective at that point though. No matter what a well brewed beer that is completely classic to style won't win if it's not to a judges taste. Hopefully they won't be too hard on the beer though and possibly recuse themselves. I think that may be rare too, but still BOS is very subjective and tough since it encompasses all the styles and also probably has some palate fatigue problems too.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:32 AM

I've witnessed a few now and usually the best "beer" wins. It's completely subjective at that point though. No matter what a well brewed beer that is completely classic to style won't win if it's not to a judges taste. Hopefully they won't be too hard on the beer though and possibly recuse themselves. I think that may be rare too, but still BOS is very subjective and tough since it encompasses all the styles and also probably has some palate fatigue problems too.

 

 

It's a numbers game.  Enter lots of beers, you'll win some BOSs.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 04:30 AM

What sucks is that I only had two bottles left of the Belgian so when I entered I new I had no chance at BOS,  Now I wonder how I would of done if I had 3 bottles.

 

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 04:58 AM

Do you know the score you received?

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 06:15 AM

I was told i got a 40 but I dont have the score sheets yet.


Edited by brewman, 17 April 2014 - 06:17 AM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:39 AM

What sucks is that I only had two bottles left of the Belgian so when I entered I new I had no chance at BOS,  Now I wonder how I would of done if I had 3 bottles. Dan

Not necessarily so. It usually goes like this:Bottle 1- gets opened and sampled by the judges, usually uses half to 3/4 bottle. Bottle 2- reserved for mini BOS. This is if there are a lot of beers in each subcategory, and a category can only send one up the BOS table. So this is when the second bottle would get opened. Bottle 3- BOS if it makes itNow the only way it would hurt is if a miniBOS happens, otherwise, your second bottle would get put up for the main BOS. The good news is the stewards usually notify the judges if there were only 2 bottles entered. With this alert, judges will be conservative with their sample size, and try to save enough in case it is a great beer and may wind up needing a miniBOS decision. In any case, I have never seen a 2 bottle entry get denied its BOS opportunity.

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Posted 19 April 2014 - 05:42 AM

Not necessarily so. It usually goes like this:Bottle 1- gets opened and sampled by the judges, usually uses half to 3/4 bottle.Bottle 2- reserved for mini BOS. This is if there are a lot of beers in each subcategory, and a category can only send one up the BOS table. So this is when the second bottle would get opened.Bottle 3- BOS if it makes itNow the only way it would hurt is if a miniBOS happens, otherwise, your second bottle would get put up for the main BOS. The good news is the stewards usually notify the judges if there were only 2 bottles entered. With this alert, judges will be conservative with their sample size, and try to save enough in case it is a great beer and may wind up needing a miniBOS decision.In any case, I have never seen a 2 bottle entry get denied its BOS opportunity.

 

Maybe not denied, but a steward that might have screwed up could keep it from being entered. OR the beer might end up in the box with the rest of the spent entries for consumption that night.



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Posted 19 April 2014 - 06:06 AM

Maybe not denied, but a steward that might have screwed up could keep it from being entered. OR the beer might end up in the box with the rest of the spent entries for consumption that night.

Sure there is always a degree of human error, and bottles can certainly get misplaced. I mean after all, we are all just a bunch of volunteers getting drunk throughout the day. I have found most comp organizers to be very anal about registration, and having 2 or 3 bottles shouldnt change the probability of a BOS sample. If anything probably less likely for error, because that registration #, will be given special instruction to be careful not to over sample.


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