Orange Marmalade on Toast EIPA
#1
Posted 08 March 2015 - 03:27 PM
#2
Posted 08 March 2015 - 03:57 PM
I don't think you're going to get there with that malt.... malty not toasty. I'd see if you can get some Marris Otter. I bet the hops get you there on that side.
Wow... I bet you don't remember how to ferment above 55dF!!!
#3
Posted 08 March 2015 - 04:47 PM
I was wondering about the toast. I figured the 6L would have a little. I haven't done an all Munich batch before though. Will yeast ferment above 55F?I don't think you're going to get there with that malt.... malty not toasty. I'd see if you can get some Marris Otter. I bet the hops get you there on that side. Wow... I bet you don't remember how to ferment above 55dF!!!
#4
Posted 08 March 2015 - 07:12 PM
My tastes gravitate toward John's Maris Otter recommendation. However, I am not familiar with the Munich malt you have listed. I get a nice toasty flavor from light amounts of Fawcett pale chocolate, about 3-4oz in 6 gallons. Maybe mix that with a similar quantity of victory/biscuit layered on top of bready MO? Just thinking out loud here 'cause it's fun.
I have used First Gold and it is a nice UK hop for sure. Its EKG like but it does have a bit of a orange flavor, just orangey in a UK hop kind of way, not anything like the orangey you get from American hops like a Columbus, Amarillo, or El Dorado. If you like EKG you'll probably like First Gold.
#5
Posted 09 March 2015 - 04:25 AM
I don't think you're going to get there with that malt.... malty not toasty. I'd see if you can get some Marris Otter. I bet the hops get you there on that side.
Wow... I bet you don't remember how to ferment above 55dF!!!
Hmm, you guys have me wondering now. I may have over-emphasized the toasty aspect of this beer. It's more like orange marmalade on warm fluffy biscuit. Slightly toasty with more sweetness than I get from Maris. More sweet/malty than toasty.My tastes gravitate toward John's Maris Otter recommendation. However, I am not familiar with the Munich malt you have listed. I get a nice toasty flavor from light amounts of Fawcett pale chocolate, about 3-4oz in 6 gallons. Maybe mix that with a similar quantity of victory/biscuit layered on top of bready MO? Just thinking out loud here 'cause it's fun.
I have used First Gold and it is a nice UK hop for sure. Its EKG like but it does have a bit of a orange flavor, just orangey in a UK hop kind of way, not anything like the orangey you get from American hops like a Columbus, Amarillo, or El Dorado. If you like EKG you'll probably like First Gold.
I originally was going to use Golden Promise. May go that way thanks to your suggestions.
Edited by chils, 09 March 2015 - 04:25 AM.
#6
Posted 09 March 2015 - 05:57 AM
Look! Chils is using Amarillo as a bittering hop!
Personally Chils, I would also get some English base malt for this. I have an ESB going right now where I used Rahr Pale Ale malt which is not really to style but it *IS* a pale ale malt and I always have a sack of it. If I'm not making some German & Czech (or American...) styles, I'm making something English and I like the idea of using the proper ingredients. I really like some of the English specialty malts (especially Fawcett), English hops and especially English yeast. If your buddy has a 1028 Drauflassen slurry, it should be pip-pip cheerio. Oh, disregard that last part.
Edited by Village Taphouse, 09 March 2015 - 06:01 AM.
#7
Posted 09 March 2015 - 05:00 PM
Yeah, def going with Golden Promise on this one. Those Amarillo are some 2011 stuff that wasn't great in 2012. Just not a good batch/harvest I guess.Look! Chils is using Amarillo as a bittering hop! Personally Chils, I would also get some English base malt for this. I have an ESB going right now where I used Rahr Pale Ale malt which is not really to style but it *IS* a pale ale malt and I always have a sack of it. If I'm not making some German & Czech (or American...) styles, I'm making something English and I like the idea of using the proper ingredients. I really like some of the English specialty malts (especially Fawcett), English hops and especially English yeast. If your buddy has a 1028 Drauflassen slurry, it should be pip-pip cheerio. Oh, disregard that last part.
#8
Posted 16 June 2015 - 07:41 AM
#9
Posted 16 June 2015 - 09:23 AM
Ill bet this will be really nice. I have had some thoughts about a similar EIPA for summer…. one including MO, light british crystal and a touch of victory. First Gold and Willamette. WLP002 or WY1469. Brewing a lighter English Summer Ale today so maybe later in the summer. Keep us updated.
#10
Posted 16 June 2015 - 09:31 AM
Will do. I forgot to add that I ended up with 3qts too much of second runnings. Boiled it down to ~ 3/4 cup on the stovetop and added it back at the end. It tasted like pure toffee. First time using First Gold hops too. I smashed a few pellets to smell. They seem very similar to EKG to me.Ill bet this will be really nice. I have had some thoughts about a similar EIPA for summer…. one including MO, light british crystal and a touch of victory. First Gold and Willamette. WLP002 or WY1469. Brewing a lighter English Summer Ale today so maybe later in the summer. Keep us updated.
#11
Posted 16 June 2015 - 09:34 AM
Will do. I forgot to add that I ended up with 3qts too much of second runnings. Boiled it down to ~ 3/4 cup on the stovetop and added it back at the end. It tasted like pure toffee. First time using First Gold hops too. I smashed a few pellets to smell. They seem very similar to EKG to me.
I used them once and liked them. Yes, most similar to EKG I'd say... maybe a little more orangey and less floral for lack of better descriptors.
#12
Posted 16 June 2015 - 09:41 AM
Good to hear. I didn't know if I was going to get the orange I wanted in this beer.I used them once and liked them. Yes, most similar to EKG I'd say... maybe a little more orangey and less floral for lack of better descriptors.
#13
Posted 17 June 2015 - 07:03 PM
#14
Posted 17 June 2015 - 08:15 PM
Wow these non lager, how do you call them, ail (sp?) yeasts really go apeshit. The Mangrove yeasts have a rep for low cell count and slow starts. My drauflassen starter was at high krausen on the plate after 6 hrs. Racked the main batch off the trub and pitched it. It had pressure 4hrs later. Today its going like a turbo vette at 65F. Drauflassen on the stirplate with a later pitch the same day is a good strategy for ales w/o having to worry about unpitched wort sitting overnight.
I have only used M07 myself, and it is not, in my experience (n=4) a slow starter, fast starter, good profiles, good floccer.
#15
Posted 18 June 2015 - 03:52 AM
There are a few threads on HBT about the slow starting stuff and my experience w/ M84 lager yeast was one of them. 2 packs Wouldn't start at 50F at all, after several days raised to 57F and took ~40hrs to start after that. Someone contacted Mangrove CS and they said that their packs contain from 50b to 200b cells. I assume 50b when using them. How was the flavor profile from this yeast in your batch?I have only used M07 myself, and it is not, in my experience (n=4) a slow starter, fast starter, good profiles, good floccer.
#16
Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:06 AM
There are a few threads on HBT about the slow starting stuff and my experience w/ M84 lager yeast was one of them. 2 packs Wouldn't start at 50F at all, after several days raised to 57F and took ~40hrs to start after that. Someone contacted Mangrove CS and they said that their packs contain from 50b to 200b cells. I assume 50b when using them. How was the flavor profile from this yeast in your batch?
malty, bready, a little minerally, very typically British, a bit drier than you get from 1968/002
I just checked the date on the pack I used, it's 9 months out of date but it took off fine and finished where it was supposed too.
#17
Posted 18 June 2015 - 03:48 PM
Good to hear. This yeast has mixed reviews. I read "too dry" on many and got a little skeered.malty, bready, a little minerally, very typically British, a bit drier than you get from 1968/002 I just checked the date on the pack I used, it's 9 months out of date but it took off fine and finished where it was supposed too.
#18
Posted 18 June 2015 - 04:38 PM
Good to hear. This yeast has mixed reviews. I read "too dry" on many and got a little skeered.
it makes excellent dry stout
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