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[HVB]

Trying to figure out how to hop this one.

 

The plan is:

OG - 1.043

80% Red X ( 8#)

20% Rye (2#)

 

I plan to keep the water on the balanced side

 

Ca-68

SO4-78

Cl-64

pH-5.45

 

Yeast will be Mangrove Jacks M-07 British Ale.  I guess it is similar to WLP007 Dry English

 

As for the hops I am at a loss.  I have two different plans at the moment.  The first is to go with Vangaurd hops, 28g@60 and 42g@10 and the other option is Ahtanum 28g@30,28g@5 and 56g@ flameout steep for 15 minutes.

 

Other hops that are a possibility are: Nugget, Mt. Hood, Northern Brewer, Willamette and Styrian Golding.

 

SO hit me with some ideas.

 

 

 

[neddles]

Interesting beer. I think that grain bill has some really good potential at the gravity your brewing it. Hops kinda depend on what your looking for. First look at it I would probably go all Mt. Hood late. But I would think Mt. Hood and some Willamette and/or Styrian Goldings in backup role could be nice if you wanted a tilt toward the earthy/English side. Or Mt. Hood and Ahtanum for a back up to tilt toward the citrusy side. Take it all with a grain of salt as I have limited experience with most of these hops and know nothing about Vanguard. I don't know that yeast either but I really like 007 so if they perform the same that will be nice. FWIW I recall Denny telling JP that english yeast and rye don't go together. JP did a split batch and came later posted that he agreed with Denny's assessment on that. 

 

Where is JP anyways?

[HVB]

Interesting beer. I think that grain bill has some really good potential at the gravity your brewing it. Hops kinda depend on what your looking for. First look at it I would probably go all Mt. Hood late. But I would think Mt. Hood and some Willamette and/or Styrian Goldings in backup role could be nice if you wanted a tilt toward the earthy/English side. Or Mt. Hood and Ahtanum for a back up to tilt toward the citrusy side. Take it all with a grain of salt as I have limited experience with most of these hops and know nothing about Vanguard. I don't know that yeast either but I really like 007 so if they perform the same that will be nice. FWIW I recall Denny telling JP that english yeast and rye don't go together. JP did a split batch and came later posted that he agreed with Denny's assessment on that. 

 

Where is JP anyways?

I have been wondering where he is also.  Though about his lack of posting the last couple of week.  I assume the English yeast and rye is because of the esters?  My plan was to start the fermentation about 62 to try and suppress them as much as I can.  Mt. Hood does keep popping up iin my head as an option.  Vangaurd seems to be similar to Hallertau or Saaz from my quick research.

 

As for what I am looking at for this beer... Good question and all I can say is I want something that is not over the top hoppy, I have enough of those, easy drinking and will work well with the cooler fall temps. 

[positiveContact]

wish I could help but I don't know enough about most of those hops.

 

the malt looks good though.

[HVB]

wish I could help but I don't know enough about most of those hops.

 

the malt looks good though.

Suggest a hop .. I bet I have it

[neddles]

Here it is.

https://www.brews-br...c/80857-rye-pa/

 

As for what I am looking at for this beer... Good question and all I can say is I want something that is not over the top hoppy, I have enough of those, easy drinking and will work well with the cooler fall temps. 

Willamette screams easy fall drinking to me. 30 IBU of something else and 50g Willamette @whirlpool. Done.

 

Or you could go all Mt. Hood….

[positiveContact]

Suggest a hop .. I bet I have it

 

I like to use styrian golding for bittering.  I'm not sure why.  if not that probably nugget.

 

I agree that willamette is great for a beer like this.  If anthanum is slightly citrusy as mentioned I might put a little of this in with the Willamette.

[HVB]

I like to use styrian golding for bittering.  I'm not sure why.  if not that probably nugget.

 

I agree that willamette is great for a beer like this.  If anthanum is slightly citrusy as mentioned I might put a little of this in with the Willamette.

I do like how Willamette and Cascade work in Smokey brown.  I can see Ahtanum playing similar, and that is a good thing.

[neddles]

I do like how Willamette and Cascade work in Smokey brown.  I can see Ahtanum playing similar, and that is a good thing.

Under-appreciated combo. Always reminds me of some of the tastier beers from the craft beer push of the early 90's. A retro combination of sorts.

Edited by nettles, 24 August 2015 - 12:00 PM.

[positiveContact]

Under-appreciated combo. Always reminds me of some of the tastier beers from the craft beer push of the early 90's. A retro combination of sorts.

 

def a classic.  also Willamette and cent is great.

[matt6150]

I have brewed a beer with that exact malt bill. But I went in a slightly different direction and used all mosaic and citra with 1450. Good beer, one that I plan to brew again someday.

[HVB]

I have brewed a beer with that exact malt bill. But I went in a slightly different direction and used all mosaic and citra with 1450. Good beer, one that I plan to brew again someday.

Well, you should know that one of those things will not happen in my beer

I have brewed a beer with that exact malt bill. But I went in a slightly different direction and used all mosaic and citra with 1450. Good beer, one that I plan to brew again someday.

what did you mash at?
 

[matt6150]

Well, you should know that one of those things will not happen in my beer

what did you mash at?

Will have to check notes later. If I brewed again I would probably change yeasts.

[HVB]

I wonder how this grainbill would work as a saison? I have a package of Belle in the fridge and the saison popular motueka hops in the freezer.

[matt6150]

So I mashed at 150. But I do like the saison idea. I haven't made one in a while but my last one was a Rye and I really liked it. Used Belle as well.

[neddles]

I wonder how this grainbill would work as a saison? I have a package of Belle in the fridge and the saison popular motueka hops in the freezer.

My guess is good. Maybe mash a little warmer with that yeast and OG of 1.043?

 

Sniff sniff...Do I smell a split batch?

[HVB]

My guess is good. Maybe mash a little warmer with that yeast and OG of 1.043?

Sniff sniff...Do I smell a split batch?

Agree on a warmer mash temp, definitely. I would say no on the split batch seeing all the red-x I have on hand is 8#,my plan was to use it up. Now I just need to decide on a direction!

[neddles]

Now I just need to decide on a direction!

 

So many beery ideas and so few beers that can be brewed!

[matt6150]

So many beery ideas and so few beers that can be brewed!

No kidding. I brew twice a month and I can't keep up with the list of things I want to try. And new things just keep getting added.

[positiveContact]

I wonder how this grainbill would work as a saison? I have a package of Belle in the fridge and the saison popular motueka hops in the freezer.

 

stealin' my ideas I see!