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[HVB]

Anyone use this or have any input on it?  I used 34/70 previously and debating if it is worth giving this a try.

[neddles]

Anyone use this or have any input on it?  I used 34/70 previously and debating if it is worth giving this a try.

I have not. Is there a known equivalent in liquid yeast?

[Steve Urquell]

Yep. https://www.brews-br...;s#entry2018618

[HVB]

Yep. https://www.brews-br...;s#entry2018618

Thanks,

 

Picking up two packs to give it a go

[denny]

I have yet to hear of a good experience with Mangrove Jack. If it's workd well for someone, I'd love to hear about it.

[HVB]

I have yet to hear of a good experience with Mangrove Jack. If it's workd well for someone, I'd love to hear about it.

I have used other strains they have had and have had good results.  It may not be the case here bit I think a lot of people go into it thinking dry yeasts are bad.

 

My results recently were with M79.  They do start a lot slower than most and need more than one package so that is one negative.  Where I am not able to plan out my schedule because of work,kids and other things I like the ability to have some dry so I can brew when the moment arises.  Man, this now sound like an ED commercial

Edited by drez77, 12 November 2015 - 09:17 AM.

[positiveContact]

so is it 2 packs for 5 gallons?

[HVB]

so is it 2 packs for 5 gallons?

yes

[positiveContact]

yes

 

puts it at the cost of liquid yeast but no starter so provided you like the results I'd still say it's a win.

 

now making 10 gallons it's starting to not make as much sense to me.

[HVB]

puts it at the cost of liquid yeast but no starter so provided you like the results I'd still say it's a win.

 

now making 10 gallons it's starting to not make as much sense to me.

unless you use those 2 packs and do the drauflassen technique?

[positiveContact]

unless you use those 2 packs and do the drauflassen technique?

 

that helps although at that point it's a bit of a wash overall.

 

eta:  I guess I would say that if this yeast is good (as good as liquid strains) it would still be a plus for me.  I could keep it in the fridge and make a quick starter the night before a brew.  Not quite as handy as having US-05 around but still pretty handy.

 

just out of curiosity, what is the generally preferred dry lager yeast these days?  I remember there was a big deal with s-189 but I'm not sure that's easy to acquire in anything less than a big block.  am I wrong there?  what is the other option?  saflager 34/70?

Edited by Evil_Morty, 12 November 2015 - 11:03 AM.

[denny]

I have used other strains they have had and have had good results.  It may not be the case here bit I think a lot of people go into it thinking dry yeasts are bad.

 

My results recently were with M79.  They do start a lot slower than most and need more than one package so that is one negative.  Where I am not able to plan out my schedule because of work,kids and other things I like the ability to have some dry so I can brew when the moment arises.  Man, this now sound like an ED commercial

 

Thanks for the info!

[Steve Urquell]

I'm gonna quote myself from the thread I linked just so people get an accurate view of potential problems with this yeast. I like the beer I fermented with it enough that I feel it's quirks are worth dealing with. I feel it makes a great Czech lager but wasn't as clean as I would like for a German lager.


"It has a low cell count per pack compared to Fermentis. ~ 50b vs 200b. When I ferment another batch with it, I will make a 2L starter with 1 pack then drauflassen it.If not doing that, I would do a 2L stepped to 4L with 1 pack. It's a little PITA to get running from dry but once it's going the harvests all ferment fine and leave beautiful light colored cakes.I'm hoping this 2002 has a similar flavor profile with slight esters and residual sweetness like I enjoyed with M84. I like my Czech beers with a distinct yeast character."

[Genesee Ted]

I am with you chils

What are the quirks tho? The low cell count?

[Steve Urquell]

I am with you chils

What are the quirks tho? The low cell count?

Low cell count
Slow floccing
Pineapple flavors when young which aged out after the yeast dropped(on my first run through--not on this latest)

Mainly it's kinda tough getting it to start from dry. I'm actually running it right now. Just fermented a 7gal batch of my house lager with it. I got lazy and only drauflassen'ed 1 pack of it. It started well then slowed down so I let the fermenter temp rise to 58F and it finished up.

After the first batch it runs as well as anything. My first run thru with it yielded the best Czech beer I've ever brewed. All the batches(~5 or so) tasted like pineapple until the yeast dropped. My latest has no pineapple and I haven't heard anyone else mention this trait of the yeast. I (sadly) think it was an ester that the yeast put off after struggling to start. All the beer fermented with that yeast had a pleasant yeast-derived flavor which I found enjoyable.

[HVB]

Chils, what is your house lager recipe?

[Steve Urquell]

Chils, what is your house lager recipe?

Nothing special. Just a Mexican style gold lager that most people like whether they like craft beer or Miller Lite. Tastes similar to Modelo Especial.

7gal batch, 1.042-1.010, 15ibus, 3srm

6.5lb Domestic pils
2lb Vienna
1.5lb corn starch or flaked corn--I like starch
5oz caravienne
4oz acid malt(pH adjustment)

13 ibus of whatever you got at 60mins
.5 oz saaz at 15

W34/70 fermented at 56F or whatever lager yeast you have. I've used W34, S-23, M84, 2124, 2278, maybe something else too.

[HVB]

I foung this odd in the Mangrove Jack's PDF file
 

 

As a result of the drying process,
Mangrove Jack’s dried yeasts are
not suitable for harvesting and/or
repitching. For best results, always
use a fresh sachet of yeast with
every brew

 

 

I was under the impression that dry yeast is no different than liquid after it has gone through a batch of beer.

[denny]

I foung this odd in the Mangrove Jack's PDF file
 

 

I was under the impression that dry yeast is no different than liquid after it has gone through a batch of beer.

 

I agree, it seems odd.  If it worked the first time, why not the second?

[HVB]

I agree, it seems odd.  If it worked the first time, why not the second?

My thought too.  I am going with a marketing ploy to get another 4 bucks out of me