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[Big Nake]

httpss://www.facebook.com/notes/strange-land-brewery/the-importance-of-place/1188058711258100

I was in Austin last month and go back next week to get my son settled at UT-Austin. The thread over on AHA is talking about "the story" and the "sense of place". What I see described in this story sounds like an American Blonde Ale that they want to call a pilsner. What say the Blue Board?

[Bklmt2000]

Top-fermented pilsner = ale; i saw that they used a Euro top-fermenting strain.  Calling it a pilsner is a bit misleading, IMHO.

 

Sounds like a blonde ale to me.

[Steve Urquell]

Strange. Should have just fermented it with lager yeast at ale temps if that's all their rig would do. Definitely an ale. Writing sounds hipsterish.

[Big Nake]

I could see not using a lager yeast if it was going to set your timeframes back but what they have done is a wizardry of marketing and advertising... do something that is really not correct, call it by the incorrect name and then make it sound righteous. I'm going to Austin next week so maybe I'll have the change to try it.

[Steve Urquell]

The Czechs knew they needed to get on board the lager train after the Germans had great success with their lagers. So they hired Josef Groll to brew lagers and Czech beer changed. I guess technically they are right--original Czech beer(called Oberhefenbier) was fermented with ale yeast, it just never was really great until lager yeast came to town.

 

Not sure if using the name pilsner is correct here.

[Big Nake]

The Czechs knew they needed to get on board the lager train after the Germans had great success with their lagers. So they hired Josef Groll to brew lagers and Czech beer changed. I guess technically they are right--original Czech beer(called Oberhefenbier) was fermented with ale yeast, it just never was really great until lager yeast came to town.
 
Not sure if using the name pilsner is correct here.

The article made it sound like "pilsners" before 1842 were made with ale yeast. I'm not sure that I had ever heard that.

[Stout_fan]

<Rant On>

Pilsners are lagers PERIOD.

Attempts to use cold ale yeast just do not give the same result despite what brewers may tell you.

Victory Brewing Prima Pils is a perfect example. Great beer, not a Pilsner.

 

And yea, Pilsner malt PERIOD.

Sorry, no wiggle room here.

Hops: Hallertau Hersbrucker or something close to German for a German Pils, Saaz for BoPils.

You can drop the Cascades and "Current darling hop" variety too.

Otherwise, just call it a Pilsner inspired Blond.

 

<Rant off>

Sorry, almost forgot::

Gotta, stay 'friendly'

And in the FWIW category, I'm actually drinking one of my BoPils right now.

Let's face it, 5% of the beer is yeast piss.

And as revolting as it sounds, the little buggers do taste different.

Edited by Stout_fan, 11 August 2016 - 05:51 PM.

[Steve Urquell]

Here's a great link about pils history.

https://www.germanbe...e.com/pils.html

[HVB]

Top-fermented pilsner = ale; i saw that they used a Euro top-fermenting strain.  Calling it a pilsner is a bit misleading, IMHO.

 

Sounds like a blonde ale to me.

Agree with this, seems to be a blonde to me. 

 

Sounds like a beer I would not mind a few on a hot day though.

[Big Nake]

Agree with this, seems to be a blonde to me. 
 
Sounds like a beer I would not mind a few on a hot day though.

Exactly. I really do dislike squabbling about the details because it seems very petty but I have an issue with marketing not just blurring the lines but misleading. I don't care for that. I will probably have the chance to try this beer when I'm there and I expect to like it but it will be missing the character you get from lager yeast.

[Genesee Ted]

There is a guy who has a tiny brewery near here that uses Nottingham for everything except Belgians. It's really weird.

[MakeMeHoppy]

There is a guy who has a tiny brewery near here that uses Nottingham for everything except Belgians. It's really weird.

Is that Middle Ages Brewery?  I finally made it there early this summer and it was an interesting place.

[Stout_fan]

Here's a great link about pils history.

https://www.germanbe...e.com/pils.html

Excellent page, many thanks for posting  it.

[Big Nake]

Quick update: I was in Austin this week and looked all over for this beer. The places I went to either didn't carry it or they told me that they "had it but we're out of it". So I never got the chance to try it.