This WilliamsWarn clarifier...
#1
Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:43 AM
#2
Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:45 AM
I know I am using a different product but your results are much different than mine and I am sorry to read that. 2-3 pints into a non-hoppy lager and I would be clear. I have posted pics of mine and explained how I use it so that is out there. I am starting to wonder if they are not the same.
#3
Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:05 AM
I know I am using a different product but your results are much different than mine and I am sorry to read that. 2-3 pints into a non-hoppy lager and I would be clear. I have posted pics of mine and explained how I use it so that is out there. I am starting to wonder if they are not the same.
I'm willing to try different methods to get it to work but I have to remind myself that I am working with very little wiggle-room if I'm trying to get clear beer with less effort than I expend using a gel solution. If the Biofine gets clearer beer without having to mix and heat gel but I have to do 50 handstands, run around my house 200 times and light my neighbor's deck on fire then I need to go back to gel. The truth is that gel solution was working for me as a 95 (I'm making this up) on a scale of 1 to 100 so the biofine didn't have a lot of room to work with. What I was hoping for was to be able to just pour this stuff into a cold keg and go. One thing that I did not attempt (yet) is to pour it into a cold, flat keg, seal up the hatch, hit it with some CO2 and then swirl/jostle the keg a little bit to agitate it. Even if I disturb the yeast layer on the bottom, the Biofine should drop everything anyway. If I did that on an upcoming batch of American Lager, that would be *FOUR* different methods I have tried.
Ps. Last night after tapping 2 glasses of that sludgy pilsner, I hit it with a gel solution.
#4
Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:22 AM
I'm willing to try different methods to get it to work but I have to remind myself that I am working with very little wiggle-room if I'm trying to get clear beer with less effort than I expend using a gel solution. If the Biofine gets clearer beer without having to mix and heat gel but I have to do 50 handstands, run around my house 200 times and light my neighbor's deck on fire then I need to go back to gel. The truth is that gel solution was working for me as a 95 (I'm making this up) on a scale of 1 to 100 so the biofine didn't have a lot of room to work with. What I was hoping for was to be able to just pour this stuff into a cold keg and go. One thing that I did not attempt (yet) is to pour it into a cold, flat keg, seal up the hatch, hit it with some CO2 and then swirl/jostle the keg a little bit to agitate it. Even if I disturb the yeast layer on the bottom, the Biofine should drop everything anyway. If I did that on an upcoming batch of American Lager, that would be *FOUR* different methods I have tried.
Ps. Last night after tapping 2 glasses of that sludgy pilsner, I hit it with a gel solution.
You keep saying biofine but you are not using biofine you are using WillimasWarn Clarifier While the ingredients may be the same the make up may be different. The only things I go through is add it to the keg rack and go.
#5
Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:49 AM
You keep saying biofine but you are not using biofine you are using WillimasWarn Clarifier While the ingredients may be the same the make up may be different. The only things I go through is add it to the keg rack and go.
WilliiamWarn Ingredint is Silicon Dioxide
Biofine is Colloidal Silic Acid, Same? Similar?
not sure
#6
Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:01 AM
WilliiamWarn Ingredint is Silicon Dioxide
Biofine is Colloidal Silic Acid, Same? Similar?
not sure
Biofine MSDS indicates
Chemical name Silicon dioxide
Chemical nature Colloidal silica sol / silicic acid hydrosol
Williamarn bottle shows the same. We have no idea what the actual composition of the solution is though.
#7
Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:05 AM
You're right... I keep saying Biofine because we discussed the ingredients being the same but maybe they're not. It's possible that this is just a crappy product and there's no other explanation and I'm not saying to myself "DAMN THAT DREZ!"... I have heard many people say that Biofine works well. This may just not be good stuff and if that's the case, I'll use gel. If I find a way to use it where it works... I'll do that until the bottle is gone and then go back to gel.You keep saying biofine but you are not using biofine you are using WillimasWarn Clarifier While the ingredients may be the same the make up may be different. The only things I go through is add it to the keg rack and go.
#8
Posted 24 June 2017 - 12:07 PM
And after one day treated with gel... Most of that is condensation.
I have no doubt that the next pints tapped from this keg will be very clear. Also, the beer is delicious and still very young... less than 3 weeks since I brewed it. I placed the next beer to be kegged (Crystal Pale Ale) in the lager primary fridge and it will sit there until next weekend (probably) and then I will send it to the keg and chill it the rest of the way down to 35° or so. Then I'll add 2 tbsp. of the WW clarifier and agitate the keg and then carb it. We'll see if "cold + agitated" does anything different.
#9
Posted 24 June 2017 - 03:44 PM
I wasnt able to keg my last CZ beer for a couple weeks due to an injury and it sat at 32F for 2 weeks. I then kegged it with gel about a week ago. That crashed the MJ yeast out of it and it was clear when I tapped it today.
My SOP is to crash a beer to 32F and let it sit at least 10 days then add gel to a keg and rack the beer on top of it then Carb while it sits at 32F. Usually clear after a week or so.
#10
Posted 24 June 2017 - 08:20 PM
Don't be sorry... I'm a student of this hobby and will probably always be. It's a $21 bottle of stuff that may or may not work depending on how it's used and maybe I didn't use it right. I typically gel a beer after it's sat overnight at about 35° and that's usually enough to get me some very clear beer relatively quick. If I were to add the WW clarifier to cold beer and either agitate or stir (maybe with a racking cane), I might get really good results. The jury is still out but eventually I will exhaust all methods and if it doesn't clear as well as gel then I will just continue to use gel. There is more experimentation to do.Ken I'm sorry if I led you astray with that stuff. I searched the web for silicon dioxide clarifier after finding out that's the active ingredient in Biofine. I haven't bought any yet and just kegged a batch today using gel.
I wasnt able to keg my last CZ beer for a couple weeks due to an injury and it sat at 32F for 2 weeks. I then kegged it with gel about a week ago. That crashed the MJ yeast out of it and it was clear when I tapped it today.
My SOP is to crash a beer to 32F and let it sit at least 10 days then add gel to a keg and rack the beer on top of it then Carb while it sits at 32F. Usually clear after a week or so.
#11
Posted 25 June 2017 - 08:29 AM
#12
Posted 25 June 2017 - 08:51 AM
SOunds like my method is what they recommend?
Edited by Steve Urquell, 25 June 2017 - 08:51 AM.
#13
Posted 27 June 2017 - 02:37 PM
#14
Posted 27 June 2017 - 03:56 PM
#15
Posted 27 June 2017 - 03:59 PM
Not crystal gelled clear but clearing. Was it added to a full keg or was the beer racked on it?
#16
Posted 27 June 2017 - 05:17 PM
This one was added to a full keg of 35° beer and not agitated. The pils was added to the keg first and the beer was racked on top but the beer was only cellar temp. That worked poorly so the beer being cold seems to be more important that the clarifier being mixed properly with the beer. I will use it again tomorrow and it will be added to a COLD keg of beer and slightly stirred into the beer. If that doesn't work, I'm done with it.Not crystal gelled clear but clearing. Was it added to a full keg or was the beer racked on it?
#17
Posted 28 June 2017 - 06:31 AM
#18
Posted 30 June 2017 - 03:51 PM
That pint was dumped and the haze would be expected no matter what.
But wait. Oh, oh, oh... what's this? Pint #2...
What do you know. It turns out that the damn directions were right! Dammit! I hate when the directions are right. The beer must be cold (COLD) and the clarifier must be stirred. So it could be REALLY cold beer transferred to a keg that already had the clarifier in it or it could be cellar temp beer sent to a keg, chilled, clarifier added and stirred. It seems very good. Also, the beer came out great.
#19
Posted 30 June 2017 - 03:56 PM
#20
Posted 03 July 2017 - 07:27 AM
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