a key part is getting examples that have been well handled on their way to you.
That's why the freshness really popped at me
Posted 19 July 2017 - 01:35 PM
a key part is getting examples that have been well handled on their way to you.
That's why the freshness really popped at me
Posted 19 July 2017 - 01:35 PM
huh - I thought they were supposed to be equivalent.
Weyermann makes an aromatic malt (they call it Abbey Malt 16-19ºL) and a Melanoidin Malt (23-31ºL) so I certainly would not expect them to be equivalent across maltsters.
Abbey
Weyermann® Abbey Malt® is a highly friable base malt with pronounced malty aromas, and assertive flavors such as honey, nuts as well as hints of chocolate. Suitable for traditional Abbey ales, as well as Trappist beers. Also well suited for a full range for Belgian beer styles, including fruit beers.
Melanoidin
Weyermann® Melanoidin is a kilned specialty malt with an intense malt aroma and unique brewing characteristics. It has a high degree of modification of both proteins and starches, excellent friability, low β-glucan values, and high acidity. These attributes help promote flavor stability, add body, and produce a smooth mouthfeel. Weyermann® Melanoidin malt adds a deep amber to red-brown color to finished beer. The rich malt flavor has notes of honey and biscuit. Melanoidin malt is best used in dark or red-colored beers such as amber ales, scottish ales, Irish red ales, bocks, and Kellerbier.
a key part is getting examples that have been well handled on their way to you.
Definitely.
Posted 19 July 2017 - 01:42 PM
One of the best Oktoberfests i've ever made was super simple:
5lb Weyermann Pils
5lb Weyermann Munich (I or II, doesn't really matter)
1lb of light Caramunich (1, I think it was)
Tettnanger for bittering to ~25-ish IBUs, and a little bit of Hallertau to 3-5 IBUs, with 5 min left in the boil
34/70 was the yeast (or 2124 if you prefer a liquid strain)
Single infusion mash, and I got plenty of maltiness from that.
I would drink the hell out of that beer.
Posted 19 July 2017 - 01:43 PM
I would drink the hell out of that beer.
I did. And I (somewhat hazily) recall it didn't last long on tap.
Posted 19 July 2017 - 01:59 PM
Posted 19 July 2017 - 02:44 PM
Some German breweries actually use those terms interchangeably... like PAULANER OKTOBERFEST/MARZEN.
FTR I actually think Paulaner Oktoberfest/Märzen is a different bier than Paulaner Festbier. I always think of Festbier as a ramped up Helles, a TurboHelles if you will.
Edited by shaggaroo, 19 July 2017 - 02:45 PM.
Posted 19 July 2017 - 02:56 PM
I agree and I think it's been mentioned here that "Oktoberfest" as it once was is no longer the style served at the festival... it's more of a higher-ABV helles as you say. Actually, I didn't even know there was a Paulaner Festbier. The last few times I picked up any Paulaner product it was Paulaner Premium Pils or the Oktoberfest/Marzen. All this beer talk is making me thirsty.FTR I actually think Paulaner Oktoberfest/Märzen is a different bier than Paulaner Festbier. I always think of Festbier as a ramped up Helles, a TurboHelles if you will.
Posted 19 July 2017 - 03:08 PM
In "The Brewmaster's Table", Garrett Oliver discusses Maerzen/O-fest beer at length, and one of the points he made was, the "Oktoberfest" beer most commonly encountered at the big bash in Munich was a higher-ABV helles, and not the original/true "Maerzen" beer.
I think (I'm probably wrong) he also mentioned that beers labeled as "festbiers" were these higher-ABV helles beers, and not the more traditional Maerzen/Oktoberfest beers.
Sidebar: If any of youse haven't read it yet, "The Brewmaster's Table" is a terrific read. A bit dated (originally published ca 2003/2005) but for food and beer pairings, it's a must-read.
Posted 19 July 2017 - 04:33 PM
FTR I actually think Paulaner Oktoberfest/Märzen is a different bier than Paulaner Festbier. I always think of Festbier as a ramped up Helles, a TurboHelles if you will.
Posted 19 July 2017 - 05:39 PM
For something like Paulaner Weisn (which is my favorite fest bier) you might try
70% pils
30% light munich
OG 1.056
FG 1.009
IBU's 21
Posted 19 July 2017 - 06:04 PM
For something like Paulaner Weisn (which is my favorite fest bier) you might try
70% pils
30% light munich
OG 1.056
FG 1.009
IBU's 21
Posted 19 July 2017 - 06:08 PM
Posted 20 July 2017 - 05:13 PM
Proof that not every festbier is a marzen and vice versa. I tend to like the paler festbiers that are like a big helles. Like Paulaner Weisn
Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:27 AM
Well, I was in my beer mecca and bought all the beers last weekend. I got home and as luck would have it - I Found it!!!! And I undrestand my confusion. I got Paulaner Marzen, and Paulaner Octoberfest Weisn.
It was the Weisn!
Special thanks to Hacker Pschorr too.
So happy I have these beers now - Shame I only got 6 packs. They are pure gold in my house at the moment. Going to have to dig up some clone recipes.
What makes this a Weisn?
Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:44 AM
Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:52 AM
Well, I was in my beer mecca and bought all the beers last weekend. I got home and as luck would have it - I Found it!!!! And I undrestand my confusion. I got Paulaner Marzen, and Paulaner Octoberfest Weisn.
It was the Weisn!
Special thanks to Hacker Pschorr too.
So happy I have these beers now - Shame I only got 6 packs. They are pure gold in my house at the moment. Going to have to dig up some clone recipes.
What makes this a Weisn?
It's called Weisn (or "meadow") for where the first Oktoberfest was held in the early 1800's. Not a reference to the beer being a hefe, which it certainly isn't.
The yeast is likely a Munich strain, perhaps 2308.
Posted 15 August 2017 - 08:25 PM
Posted 15 August 2017 - 08:39 PM
What kind of OG would be typical of one of these festbiers/weisn/ramped up Helles?
Posted 16 August 2017 - 04:31 AM
What kind of OG would be typical of one of these festbiers/weisn/ramped up Helles?
Anywhere in the 1.050-1.060 range, but more commonly in the middle to high end of this range.
Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:15 AM
Edited by Steppedonapoptop, 16 August 2017 - 08:17 AM.
0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users