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#1 Darterboy

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 06:00 AM

Brewed and sour-mashed a Berliner Weiss and a Gose back to back weekends a month or so back. Both beers turned out just how I wanted them flavor/acidity wise but so very cloudy I was distressed (I've entered them in a local competition next weekend). I've never filtered but I borrowed a plate filter from a member of my local club and tried the coarse pads. No difference. Well crap. Tried the "polish" pads next night. No difference. Still looks like milk. Double crap. 

 

Reviewing my process, I realized my mistake. When I added the handful of grain to inoculate the mash w/ lacto after cooling it to 120F, I milled it first. Stupid- the lacto live on the husk, so all milling it did was add a bunch of starch to the mash after the enzymes had mostly been denatured. So my working theory is now starch haze.

 

LHBS has amylase powder so I stop and picked some up yesterday morning. Let the beer warm up to room temp and added 1 tsp of amylase powder per keg. I also added some to a sample pint and sat it next to a control pint so I can monitor its progress. This morning the enzyme-dosed pint is noticeably clearer. So I'm hopeful the beer will clear up enough to be presentable in 3 or 4 days. I'll let you know.

 

Lessons learned:

 

1. Filtering is dead easy as long as you have a couple of extra kegs. I will be keeping this in my arsenal in case I need it again.

2. You can't filter out a starch haze.

3. When inoculating a sour mash with malt, don't mill it.  :blush:



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 06:05 AM

if your filter set up will accept it try filtering thru diatomaceous earth, should get rid of the starch haze



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 06:39 AM

Just have one of these.

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 07:01 AM

Just have one of these.

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those pads have DE in them, did you put the rough filtering side in?



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 12:58 PM

Yes. Followed the directions to a T. Used the pads from Morebeer.



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 01:47 PM

how cold?



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:36 PM

how cold?

33F



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:42 PM

33F

that's all I got :(

 

I have and use same filter



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 06:25 PM

that's all I got :(

 

I have and use same filter

I think starch particles are just too small to filter out with those pore sizes. The amylase is working well in the experimental glass of beer. Even clearer today. I'll re-chill and start carbonating the kegs Sunday morning and just go with whatever comes out.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:09 AM

I realize we are beating a dead horse at this point but out of curiosity does the filter maker offer pads with a smaller pore size or even different grades of DE?



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:10 AM

I realize we are beating a dead horse at this point but out of curiosity does the filter maker offer pads with a smaller pore size or even different grades of DE?

They offer 7,4 and 1 micron pads.

 

https://www.williams...-PAD-P3097.aspx



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:03 AM

Not used my filter machine in a year or so, but i did use it for a dozen or so brews. The 7 worked ok for me, the 4 micron worked great. Never tried the 1 micron pads. Seemed to pick up some more yeast. Never tried to filter starch haze.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:57 AM

I plugged a 1 micron pad last month  :crazy:



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:03 AM

the Ferrari pads from my LHBS have a distinct DE taste and smell that can be difficult to get rid of, anyone have any tricks? other than my usual soak and rinse?


Edited by miccullen, 25 July 2014 - 07:07 AM.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 08:59 AM

DE is inert. It shouldn't hVe any flavor at all. Maybe it is from the pads that contains it?

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 09:25 AM

DE is inert. It shouldn't hVe any flavor at all. Maybe it is from the pads that contains it?

the flavor/aroma is similar to wet portland cement, figured it was from the DE content, have to try a different brand of pads



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:06 AM

I mean, DE is pretty much just silica IIRC. The DE I use at work has no smell or taste.

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 01:08 PM

Are those filters reusable? I've never filtered, but at times I wish I could.



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Posted 01 August 2014 - 01:39 PM

Are those filters reusable? I've never filtered, but at times I wish I could.

unfortunately no



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Posted 01 August 2014 - 02:27 PM

unfortunately no

What do they cost? Too bad there isn't a DE filter that you can back wash.




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