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[neddles]

They aren't kidding about the extended lag time. 40 hrs. since pitching and there isn't the faintest hint of a suggestion of fermentation in the carboy. Most my ales a start dropping their krausen around 48 hrs or so. Ferment already, I need the beer!!!

Edited by nettles, 15 January 2015 - 12:01 PM.

[denny]

Some kinda not so good reviews of it on the AHA forum.  I'll be interested to hear your results.

[HVB]

I had the same slow start when I used it.  DId you notice that the pitching rate is different than S-05?  You almost have to use double to achieve their recommended pitching rate, if memory serves me right.

[HVB]

Some old talk about that yeast

https://www.brews-br...c/70705-bry-97/

https://www.brews-br...bout-stability/

 

And a comparison with other yeast

https://www.rebelbre...erican-session/

[neddles]

I had the same slow start when I used it.  DId you notice that the pitching rate is different than S-05?  You almost have to use double to achieve their recommended pitching rate, if memory serves me right.

No. I didn't notice that. I used 11g in 5.5 gal. of 1.063 wort. So yeah I probably under pitched. And I even rehydrated, but only because Denny said it was imperative to do so. 

 

I saw that comparison you provided but not until after I used it.   My dumbass. 

 

Reading through those threads it looks as though most of you guys liked this yeast?

[HVB]

I used it and liked the final product.  I think I used it one other time after that because I had 2 packs.  Since then I have not bought it again seeing the price is close to 5 bucks ( at NB).  Really an awkward price for me.  More than S-05 and almost as much as liquid.

[realbeerguy]

I just did an hoppy IPA with this.  2 packs in 12 gal.  Took about 2 days to fully get going @ 65dF.  1.066 to 1.008.  Happy with results

[neddles]

I just did an hoppy IPA with this.  2 packs in 12 gal.  Took about 2 days to fully get going @ 65dF.  1.066 to 1.008.  Happy with results

Great. That's good to hear. I'm at 65F as well.

[neddles]

As expected it finally got rolling tonight. Let's hope it makes good beer.

[neddles]

BTW this ####ing beer is still actively fermenting at full krausen. Clearly under-pitched, I'll never use this yeast again. Let's hope it doesn't turn out like dog sh!t. Smells good, so I've got that going for me. Which is nice.

[neddles]

Damn this yeast. I mentioned in another thread that I liked what this yeast did for the beer I put it in. I liked it for about 3 days. 

 

This beer got a 120g (~4.25oz.) of equal parts Cascade/Centennial/Columbus in the 165F whirlpool and another 135g (~4.75oz.) of the same blend dry hopped split in two separate additions. The first addition was to the primary just after the krausen dropped. The second dry hop was to the keg with cold beer racked on top via a closed transfer. No primary or secondary/keg finings of any kind. I had it carbed in two days and it was tasting amazingly good. Tons of floral, citrus and a little grapefruit from the Cascades and Centennials and beautiful semi-dank spiced orange peel type flavors from the Columbus. I loved it. Then on the third day it seemed perfect. By the 4th day I noticed it was clearing considerably more than I would have expected and I couldn't tell if the hops were fading a little or if my palate was just acclimating. On the 5th day (last night I noticed the beer was exceptionally clear for a beer with that quantity of dry hop including half of it in the keg. And the flavor, faded to crap. I mean it tastes ok, nothing off, but all the beautiful hop character that was there has become muddled and generic. Gone is the danky Columbus, gone is the floral and grapefruit. it's just twangy citrus. You would have a hard time identifying which hops were in there at this point except to say that it tastes "American" a few days ago it screamed Cascade/Centennial and Columbus. All i can think of is that this yeast fell out in the cold and took all the goodness with it. The only other time I noticed something like this was on a hoppy beer I made with S-04. Very similar. I'm going to let it sit a few more days cold and dry hop it a third time in the keg. Hate to open the keg at this point but I don't see another choice. anyone else experience this before? Any other yeasts I should be aware of that do this? Any other explanation other than the yeast? There isn't anything else new about the way this beer was made when compared to my other hop forward beers so for now I am blaming the yeast.

[positiveContact]

how long was it cold before you kegged it?

[neddles]

how long was it cold before you kegged it?

24-36 hrs.

 

I'm having a half pint right now and, don't get me wrong, it's really a nice beer. Better than 99% of what I can find in a bottle. But what it was is gone and the change was very sudden and correlated perfectly with the clearing of the beer. Digging around the net I have since found a lot of anecdotal stuff that is confirming what I noticed with this beer and BRY-97.  I think another dry hop addition should perk it up especially since the yeast has all fallen out at this point.

[positiveContact]

24-36 hrs.

 

I'm having a half pint right now and, don't get me wrong, it's really a nice beer. Better than 99% of what I can find in a bottle. But what it was is gone and the change was very sudden and correlated perfectly with the clearing of the beer. Digging around the net I have since found a lot of anecdotal stuff that is confirming what I noticed with this beer and BRY-97.  I think another dry hop addition should perk it up especially since the yeast has all fallen out at this point.

 

maybe that's the key.  let most of the yeast drop out first and then dry hop it.

[neddles]

maybe that's the key.  let most of the yeast drop out first and then dry hop it.

Yeah that could be, at least for this strain (which I won't use again to find out). But it hasn't mattered with other strains (except S-04 IME). My understanding is that different strains have varying abilities to bind hop oils and IBU's from the beer and remove them from the beer.